Below is transcription of a panel conducted last month at the
George W. Bush Institute in TX on the threat that North Korea poses on the US…because
of the inseparable links between human right violations in N. Korea and our own
national security here at home. Statements by former US President George W.
Bush, two analysts and former Senator and Democratic VP candidate Joe Lieberman
repeatedly make this case.
The links between N. Korea’s nuclear weapons program and the
proliferation of Nuclear weapons and missile technology to Iran, Pakistan and
Syria are clear and related to the resources the N. Korean government generated
from the slave labor of it’s own people.
What is not mentioned is N. Korea’s impressive cyber force capacity
which is well known or its biological weapons capacity which is not. I don’t
believe the N. Korean leadership is suicidal, but after the unjust US invasion
of Iraq and President Bush’s provocative “Evil Empire speech’ putting cross
hairs on both Iran and N. Korea, is there any doubt that the development of WMD
capabilities would be in the best interests of both those ‘rogue nations’? And
that the growing tensions between major super power states, rogue states with
WMD capacity, and violent extremists groups seeking it, that creating more
injustice in the world isn’t in the best interest of any living soul?
After the horrors of WW II (the devastation of total war, a genocide
and a new weapon capable of vaporizing tens of thousands of innocent people in
a flash) that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was passed. It’s intent was to prevent future
conflicts. But the UN was never given
the capacity to ensure such global justice.
Today, the closest thing we have is the globally agreed upon Sustainable
Development Goals. Achieving them would
be the equivalent of enforcement of the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights. And SDG #16 is vital in ensuring
the global governance mechanisms are in
place to most effectively achieve each of the other SDGs. Then all that’s
missing is the funding. Something that
would be available if the world stopped reacting to crisis and instead invested
in their prevention. With the money the
US has spent on it’s invasion of Iraq and that it will pay for the future
health benefits of its military survivors…the world could have met the Millennium
Development Goals. Now, we need the
likes of a good businessman, to make deals and pull the resources from the
Corporations that have an equal amount of funds in reserve just waiting for a
wise investment opportunity. A silly thought
I know. But no more silly than thinking
we can keep our security without investing in global justice.
Former President George W. Bush on Human Rights in North Korea Former
President George W. Bush spoke about the effect of the North Korean Human
Rights Act of 2004, followed by a panel discussion on the foreign policy
priorities of the incoming Trump administration and the 115th Congress. “The Human Rights and Security Nexus” was a
panel of “Light Through the Darkness: A Forum on Freedom in North Korea,” a George W. Bush Institute forum on U.S.
policy toward North Korea and national security. CSpan: NOVEMBER
29, 2016
https://www.c-span.org/video/?418854-2/former-president-george-w-bush-discusses-north-koreas-record-human-rights&start=3901
Amanda Schnetzer, Global Initiatives Director, George W. Bush Institute
[starting at 1 min. 30 sec. in] “Since 2014 the Bush Institution has convened unprecedented
awareness raising, consensus building meetings, commissioned original research,
and helped break new ground in our understanding of one of the worst human tragedies
of our time. The result has been a call
to action! For governments, the private sector, and civil
society to work together in a bipartisan way to improve the human condition in
North Korea. We believe this calls for
advocating for a new US policy that integrates the call for human freedom with
de-nuclearization. We also believe it
means supporting the lives of escapees who are building new lives and freedoms
here in the US. All of you can be a part
of this call to action! If you visit www.Bushcenter.org/NK you will find several concrete
ways you can help. Learn more about the Human
Rights/Security Nexis by downloading”…research and policy recommendations being
released today. “Help expose the suffering of the North Korean people and why
it matters to Americans security by sharing his content on social media. Let Members of Congress know how you feel. … Find
ways to help N. Korean escapees and other refugees in your community. And support the ongoing work of the Bush
Institute to advance human freedom… The will for human freedom cannot be tamped
down forever.” [Ends at 3:10 in]
[8:20 Former President Bush speaks] 13:00 ‘we focus on
a lot of things, but’ “people ask why
North Korea? Of all the places why
should the Bush Center be thinking about North Korea? There are several reason….[last]
N. Korea represents a grave security threat. It shows how the proliferation of
a deadly technology can allow small leaders…to threaten and disrupt the world
on a grand scale….there are no easy policy solutions. But any serious response
must begin by accepting reality. There is no way to detach ourselves from
events in east Asia. Our future, and the
future of that region are closely linked. Eventually, there is no isolation
from proliferation. No safety in distance. North Korea also represents the longest
sustained humanitarian crisis in our time… Freedom, like the dignity of the
individual is universal…. These two challenges, the humanitarian challenge and
the security challenge are closely linked….The lesson of history is clear. A
country that does not respect the rights of its people will not respect the rights
of its neighbors. This is one of the arguments of an excellent report that Victor
Chaw and Bob Gallucci have put together…” These to top experts, one a Democrat,
one a Republican, “make a case that Human Rights and Security are inseparable. They make a strong case that human dignity is
not a distraction from security policy… [The report] sent out a range of
options for a renewed North Korean policy, reassuring allies in the region,
integrating nonproliferation and human rights sanctions, going after slave
labor exports that fund weapons development…
This is a timely moment and our country is about to have a new
administration which has every right to choose its own direction. They can take
advice or not, but there is one option that can’t be chosen. The option of
drifting. Because that current would
lead to disaster. Denial provides only the shallow
and temporary illusion of security, and
leadership on this matter cannot be delegated to others. A successful response will require unprecedented
global cooperation. But it can it can only be led by one country,
the US. There is another way to show our
commitment to human rights for the North Korean people. By supporting refugees in our midst. The Bush Institute’s Human Freedom Initiative
is issuing a second report today, based on a survey of N. Korean refugees who
live in our country. It shows a small but highly motivated community of
exceptional people. It also reveals real
need in the areas of education and employment…. Coming to the aid of men and
women who have fled the worst tyranny in the world is in our national interest….
The warm welcome of refugees is one of the truest expressions of our national character.
It shows the broad reach of American ideals and the good heart of our people. Refugees often risk everything, including their
life, to come to America. Whatever their background they deserve our
sympathy. Not our concept. The threat from North Korea and the cruel oppression
of its people are urgent and related problems.
Free nations cannot accept a future on terms set by this brutal and
unstable regime. Technology is bringing closer the threats of a dangerous
world. Technology can also carry a
message of God given rights and dignity - the other direction. And, that is a form of power as well. The untamed power of freedom to reach the darkest
corners of the world. It is not foreign
policy realism to ignore the deepest aspirations of humanity. Yes,
we defend ourselves in a tense demilitarized zone and we are grateful to
American and Korean troops who stand guard on the last rampart of the Cold War.
But we also defend ourselves by taking the side of the North Korean
people. They deserve better than
brutality and tyranny. They deserve to determine their own future. That would bring real peace to the Korean
peninsula. The only true and lasting peace.
A peace. Founded on human freedom.
[22:25]
Michael J. Gerson, Washington Post reads a portion of President Bush’s
second Inaugural address, “We are led by events and common sense to one conclusion.
The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of
liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is in the
expansion of freedom in all the world.
Americans vital interests and deepest beliefs are now one.”
Victor makes the claim in his report that “freedom
and security are indivisible”.
[31:00] Robert Gallucci points out that N.
Korea’ contribution to nuclear proliferation is significant. It has transferred
both nuclear and missile technology to both Iran and Pakistan. And it was in the process of assisting Syrian
in the development of nuclear power when “Israel exercised its own policy of
nonproliferation and bombed it”.
Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO), incoming Republican
Senatorial Committee chair said he wanted to make sure the new Admin keeps the
N. Korean issue on the top of his agenda. Make sure that UN sanction are
enforced by working closely with China.
Former Senator Joe Lieberman.
[34;30] Thanks the
President and the Bush Institute's “principled public service, which always in
my opinion is based on the centrality of the American ideal of freedom, which
is the mission that our founders gave us in the Declaration of Independence-
about all those self- evident, the rights we have to truth, the rights we have
to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness- which clearly were not just
given by our creator to Americans. That’s a declaration of universal human
rights. We forget that sometimes that that's our mission as Americans, but it
also happens to relate to our security in a very real way. And that can be
lost. So Why is it important that
support for human rights in N. Korea and for a change of regime in N. Korea and
the unification of Korea? It is because
it comes from our basic values. This ought not to be a partisan matter in any
sense.
And the discussion we have when you think about it, it is
easy enough for somebody to say, "oh, that's N. Korea, that's too bad. Kim
Jong-Un is crazy and people suffer there, but it's far away from us."
Well, now in this slave state, he's taken whatever resources he has, and he's
built this nuclear missile capacity and now he is selling it to the Iranians,
the Pakistanis, to the Syrians, and inevitability to terrorists, and he is also
developing now literally the capacity to hit the western part of the US. So what may seem like a kind of idealistic,
not realistic pursuit of human rights for people far away from us, is really not only directly related to what
is in our hearts as Americans, but it is also related to our security. I think that's why we have achieved
bipartisanship on this matter and why it's so important we go forwards.
All of us have said and know, we are at the change of an
administration in Washington, and I don't mean this derogatorily, this is an
administration whose foreign policy in detail, has not been sketched out, so
that unsettles people including our allies in Korea and places all around the
world, but it also creates an opportunity.
If I can put it that way, to a
broadly bipartisan group brought together by the Bush Institute to try to speak
the truth about N. Korea to those who will exercise power in the next
administration because the reality is that N. Korea will be in the face of the
next administration, whether it chooses to look at it or not.
[38] Victor…when asked if he was suggesting a new policy
approach to N. Korea? First of all we
are making the statement that security and human rights are interlinked. This is not a thing that has been done in the
past [that he is aware of!!!!]. He
stressed the importance of the new Administration making N. Korea a priority as
well as this link between human rights and security…as well as other dimensions…such
as the where resources from slave labor used to purchase
Well, the first reason is that this matters to us. It matters in terms of our national values, our purpose, but it also matters quite directly in terms of our security. There will be a debate as the new administration takes office as to what our role will be in the world. The president-elect said certain things during the campaign that suggested we would go back- I don't like to use the word "isolationism," but that we were going to withdraw from the world and concentrate on America, but the world doesn't allow you to concentrate on America. What happens in America, our security, our freedom and prosperity, depends a lot on what happens around the world and the example of N. Korea is a powerful example of it.
Well, the first reason is that this matters to us. It matters in terms of our national values, our purpose, but it also matters quite directly in terms of our security. There will be a debate as the new administration takes office as to what our role will be in the world. The president-elect said certain things during the campaign that suggested we would go back- I don't like to use the word "isolationism," but that we were going to withdraw from the world and concentrate on America, but the world doesn't allow you to concentrate on America. What happens in America, our security, our freedom and prosperity, depends a lot on what happens around the world and the example of N. Korea is a powerful example of it.
But the other thing to say is that we live in a world of
instantaneous communications globally, so that what we do in one place is
immediately known elsewhere. So, for instance, whatever position you took on
the Iran nuclear agreement, the fact that the agreement was signed and that it
appeared that our allies in the region, both in the Arab world and Israel, were
very upset about it, I think unsettled people. I found my conversations with
allies in Asia, for instance- wow, if the US did that, in that case, what are
they going to do if China moves aggressively on us? Or if Kim Jong-Un proposes some kind of
compromise deal again.
What I'm saying is, what we do with N. Korea, what the
new administration does with N. Korea, will establish a very important
precedent for what its leadership will be in the world, and it will, to be
explicit, either encourage or discourage or unsettle our allies, and it may
also encourage or discourage our enemies.
The way we handle this is important beyond N. Korea. But N. Korea, in my opinion, is probably the
most urgent, immediate threat that the new administration will face to our
security. We've got to acknowledge, as President Bush said at the outset, this
is not easy, but whatever we have tried so far hasn't worked because people
continue to live in terrible conditions, totally repressed, enslaved, and Kim
Jong-Un has increased his nuclear and missile capacity.
So to me, it is a time to get tough, both on the freedom
agenda. Support opposition groups; try to get to the people of N. Korea more
access to the internet and knowledge about what's happening around the world. Get tough with the sanctions, which are very
important, the secondary sanctions. This man is not going to make an agreement,
as everybody seems to agree, unless he thinks the survival of his regime is on
the line. We've got to convince him that that's how serious we are, including
the potential for military action, which none of us want to take, but if all
else fails...
I agree with everything that was said. This is all about leadership and part of leadership is education. So I believe in the case of Syria that once the president had set the red line, if he actually followed through on it, and responded to us as you suggest, that he would have had great support from the American people. In this case, if we get to the point where the red line, where it appears, that the N. Koreans have the ability to hit the western part of the US with a nuclear armed missile, then it'll take leadership to point that out. But I think a president, in that circumstance, in Congress will also have to wrestle with the consequences of not acting and this is not an easy decision.
I agree with everything that was said. This is all about leadership and part of leadership is education. So I believe in the case of Syria that once the president had set the red line, if he actually followed through on it, and responded to us as you suggest, that he would have had great support from the American people. In this case, if we get to the point where the red line, where it appears, that the N. Koreans have the ability to hit the western part of the US with a nuclear armed missile, then it'll take leadership to point that out. But I think a president, in that circumstance, in Congress will also have to wrestle with the consequences of not acting and this is not an easy decision.
To state the obvious, I don't think the American people
understand this very serious circumstance.To convince the American people that
we should get involved in a Korean-like ground war again now. To take military
action to incapacitate a regime that is totalitarian, and now has the capacity
to hit the US, I think the American people would not prefer that, but would
certainly support it. In other words, not their first choice, but would support
it as opposed to being vulnerable to a mad man's missiles and nuclear weapons.
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